Who Are The Armies Of Heaven With Jesus At His Return?

For years it has been hurled at us that the armies of Heaven with Jesus at the Second Coming are the previously raptured Saints. But an honest examination of other relevant Scriptures indicates something quite different!

The armies of heaven

The following is an excerpt from the book ‘The Pre-trib Rapture: A Bucket Full of Holes!’ by Paul Benson

Unbiblical Concept: The armies in white linen at the Second Coming are the previously raptured Saints, and not the angels of God.

And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in Heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. Revelation 19:13-14

The rapture theory teachers say the ‘armies in Heaven clothed in white linen’ following Jesus out of Heaven at his Second Coming are NOT angels, but instead the Bride of Christ! They cite Rev. 19:8 as a ‘proof text’ because it says in that verse: “white linen is the righteousness of the Saints.” And they then go on to suppose that if these Saints in white linen are now coming out of Heaven they had to have first gone in indicating a previous rapture, and thus (supposedly) disproving the claim that the Resurrection of the Just actually takes place at the Second Coming. But is all this according to the truth of the Word of God?

This sounds somewhat convincing until you put it to the test. Does it say here, or anywhere else, that these armies coming out of Heaven are previously raptured believers, or that they are even human? No, this is mere speculation with no scriptural support. They have once again inserted their doctrine into a text, and then claimed it as support for their theory. And as is the usual case with their ‘proof texts’ they have proved nothing.

Lets look at some other individuals in the Scriptures who are also clothed in white linen:

And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles. Revelation 15:6

It looks to me like these angels in Heaven are wearing the same apparel as those guys on horses with Jesus. What a shocker! Mary and the others at the tomb saw an angel clothed in a long white garment (Mark 16:5). Daniel also saw an angel clothed in linen (Dan. 10:5). What else would they be wearing, Levi’s? And let’s not forget the two angels which spoke to the apostles at Christ’s Ascension.

And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven?  Act 1:10-11

To say the armies following Jesus out of Heaven are NOT angels because they are clothed in white linen is absolutely ludicrous! This is a prime example of the way the rapture theorists fabricate ‘proof texts’; like inserting their beliefs into this Scripture to ‘prove’ a point, while ignoring other relevant passages that clearly describe the event of Jesus coming out of Heaven with his angels.

And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with his mighty angels, 2 Thessalonians 1:7

Notice it does NOT say: ‘when Jesus is revealed from Heaven with his army of raptured warriors’. The Church is finally granted rest from 2000 years of persecution, affliction, and tribulation when Jesus returns to earth, bringing all his mighty angels, at his Second Coming.

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: Matthew 25:31

Again, when Jesus comes in the clouds with power and great glory, and begins his reign on earth, he will have brought all the angels out of heaven with him.

For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Matthew 16:27

The Bible clearly teaches Jesus is bringing ALL the angels of Heaven with him at his Return. Just how many angels are we talking about here; a sky full? No wonder it says armies – plural! There are many confirming witnesses describing the angels (whom the Bible portrays as wearing white linen) coming out of Heaven with Jesus! Why would you think Rev. 19:14 is describing anything else; unless you are trying to fabricate support for a rickety theory in danger of collapse. When Jesus comes out of Heaven with his army the resurrection /catching away has NOT happened yet! It happens AFTER he appears.

And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.  Mark 13:26-27

If you doubt the elect being referred to here is the Body of Christ please see this post. About this time some of you rapture theory believers are wishing you could throw in these verses:

For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.  1Thess. 4:14

And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his Saints,   Jude 1:14

… like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the Saints with thee.  Zechariah 14:5

Many try to use these verses as proof that the rapture would have to had already happened in order for Jesus to bring these people ‘with him’. But does it say they come out of Heaven? No, it sure doesn’t. Jesus will appear in the clouds with all his holy angels, then resurrect the believers, gather us unto himself up in the air, and then descend bringing all of us with him. The world will in truth witness Jesus coming with his Saints. There is no conflict with these verses.

Also where does it say the Saints are Heaven’s armies, and fight against the wicked and destroy them? The Bible does speak of our struggles with evil in this life as warfare, but does that mean we are the ‘armies in Heaven’ that do battle for God? Isn’t that the job of the angels? I thought the departed believers had ‘entered into their rest’?

When the martyred Saints call out to God to be avenged (Rev. 6:10), will He tell them to go take care of it themselves? I question the way the rapture theorists turn Christ’s Bride into a vengeful army; I guess they must take back all their forgiveness towards their enemies and persecutors, and go kick some major butt on planet earth?

It just doesn’t seem in line with the descriptions we have of the Return of Christ that He would hang back and let his Bride do any fighting for him. It gives me this mental image of a loving married couple at home safe in bed for the night when suddenly they hear glass breaking and noise of intrusion downstairs. Can you picture that doting husband turning to his wife and saying, ”Honey, you wanna get that please?” It just don’t seem right, does it?

Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.  Romans 12:19

The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked.  Psalms 58:10

We WILL be present at the battle of Armageddon, SEE the vengeance of God upon our enemies, and  REJOICE in victory. There is nothing in Scripture to indicate we should think that believers are the ‘armies of Heaven’, but plenty to show it’s the holy angels coming out of Heaven with Jesus in Revelation 19:14. It is erroneous to teach this unbiblical concept, particularly in light of the facts I have presented here. Let’s get it right, shall we?

Author: Paul Benson

My Website is at www.paulbenson.me. My blog 'Let's Get It Right!' is at pbenson.me.

25 thoughts on “Who Are The Armies Of Heaven With Jesus At His Return?”

  1. “To say the armies following Jesus out of Heaven are NOT angels because they are clothed in white linen is absolutely ludicrous! This is a prime example of the way the rapture theorists fabricate ‘proof texts’; like inserting their beliefs into this Scripture to ‘prove’ a point, while ignoring other relevant passages that clearly describe the event of Jesus coming out of Heaven with his angels.”

    a) There’s nothing “ludicrous” about saying the Church is arrayed in “βύσσινος” (fine linen) and the armies coming in “βύσσινος” and see the correlation; whereas the angels in Rev 15:6 are wearing “λίνον” – a different Greek word.

    b) Does Christ come with the Church? Oh, I don’t know, it just says EXACTLY that – “For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God BRING WIH HIM.” (1 Thessalonians 4:14).


    1. Hi JP;
      I think maybe you read the article and ignored what you did not want to see.. As to your point B).: That was answered also in the article. When we meet Jesus IN THE AIR (same passage you quoted in 1 Thess.) we will then descend with him to Earth. Jesus WILL be ‘bringing us with him’. Those on Earth WILL see the Lord bringing us with him without us having ‘come out of Heaven’ as you suggest. There is NOT ONE place the Bible says the resurrected Church ‘goes to Heaven’! There is NOT ONE place the Bible describes the resurrected Body of Christ as being either ‘in Heaven’ or ‘coming out of heaven’. You think you see it because you have been taught to believe that way.
      The concept of a ‘pre-trib rapture’ whisking the Church off to Heaven is a man-made delusion and is of modern origin. It is NOT the teaching of the Scriptures.
      In Jesus Christ;
      Paul Benson


  2. The word angel (ἄγγελος) or angels means “messenger”. That word in most places refers to literal angels. But in some cases it refers to human beings (like Revelation 22:8-9).

    This teaching is probably right, but we cannot be fully sure.


    1. Hi David;
      Thanks for the comment. This issue that the word ‘angel’ can mean a human as well as an angelic being is certainly true. But that has little to do with the premise of the article.
      If the ‘armies of Heaven’ refereed to in Revelation 19 are the resurrected Church RETURNING with Jesus then that means there had to have been an event PRIOR to the Second Coming in which the Church was transported off to Heaven thus separating the rapture event from the Second Coming of Christ. There is NO SUCH scenario presented to us anywhere in the Word of God!
      Nowhere do we see any reference to 2 Comings of Christ in the end-times nor any mention of the Church leaving planet Earth at the Rapture! The Bible gives clear indication of when the resurrection of the righteous takes place.
      1Co 15:20  But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 
      1Co 15:21  For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 
      1Co 15:22  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 
      1Co 15:23  But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at his coming. 
      Christ, the first-fruit of God’s ‘crop’ of his Righteous ones, was resurrected first; then the rest of that crop will be resurrected AT HIS COMING (singular – like it always is referenced!). If we would study what the Bible says about the Resurrection (and the timing thereof) instead of what man supposes about ‘rapture timing’ there would be little confusion as to when we do meet Christ in the air.
      Please consider my video on the Biblical timing of the Rapture:

      Blessings to you;
      Paul Benson


  3. What amazes me is to hear pre-trib Christians use the following scripture as evidence of a pre-trib rapture?.

    Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    2 Thessalonians:2:3

    The above verse speaks to the fact that Christians will know who the antichrist is. He will be revealed.
    Furthermore, Jesus speaks in Matthew 24 that in the last days, once world wide persecution has begun, many will fall from the faith.
    It seems clear to me that John also reveals this in Revelation chapter 6. Once the 5th Seal is opened, there will be world wide persecution and martyrs for the faith. After this, many fall from the faith.
    Here’s my question.
    When the sixth seal is opened and there’s a great earthquake, is this the same earthquake that Christ refers to in Matthew 24:29?
    Also, Are the seals in Revelation opened first, then the trumpets follow and lastly, the bowls of wrath? In that sequenc? Or are the trumpets the same as the bowls but different from the seals?
    Thank you for your time. Pre-trib Christians tell me not to worry about it or consider it because Christians won’t be on earth.
    In reading the scriptures, I wanted to find evidence of a pre-trib rapture and I can not! It’s just not there. Not if one reads the scripture objectively.
    One more question please.
    Why does Daniel tell us the dragon makes war with the saints for 42 months and conquers them if we are here for the full 7 years?
    Thank You!
    C Frye


    1. Hi Cindi;
      Yes it is unbelievable the lengths people go to in order to promote the pre-trib fable. I addressed that particular twisting of Scripture (2Thess 2:3) in this article:

      Changing The Truth Into A Lie: Apostasy Means Rapture?

      I believe the seals and trumpets of Revelation run somewhat concurrently with both ending with the Second Coming. The great earthquake of one is the great earthquake of the other. But the bowls/vials of wrath are not poured out until the Second Coming has occurred. One of the biggest mistakes people make about eschatology is failing to understand that Jesus himself administers (oversees) the out-pouring of the Wrath of God AFTER he comes back which is immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days (Matt. 24:29-31). The events of the time of tribulation are NOT the Wrath of God but a call to repentance to the entire world (including the Church!).

      The forty two month (1260 day) reign of Antichrist/Dragon and his persecution of the Saints occurs towards the end (but not in perfect harmony with) the 7 year span of Daniels 70th week. Consider this: Jesus returns AFTER the tribulation those days. Antichrist then musters the forces of the World to fight Christ (this will take a bit of time). Then they go to Armageddon and are destroyed. So not only must Jesus return somewhat before the end of Antichrists 42 month reign, the tribulation must also end somewhat before these days. SO the timeframe of 42 months cannot be perfectly aligned with the end of the tribulation nor the return of Jesus.
      Hope that helps or at least gives you some food 4 thought;
      Blessings to you;
      Paul Benson


    2. Thank you for your reply.
      I’ll read Revelation again keeping in mind what you’ve said and see if it makes more sense to me.
      I know the Apostle Paul said as children of light, we are not appointed unto God’s wrath. So that helps clear up my confusion regarding being on earth the full seven years.
      Thank You.


    3. Lot of info about a Pre-Trib rapture . Dan. 9 490 years til all finished. Israels last dispensation 490years is 483 years with Jesus enering jerusaleem passover til 2020Church in 2020ad and 7 years oy Israels last years 2027. revelation 12 shows rapture after red dagon comes. the Star is in our solar system (Nibiru). The falling away is Rapture scene from heaven (2 Thessalonians 2:3). Ruth shows Typology as Boaz and Ruth rest in peaace in Heaven for Wedding while Threshing floor (tribulation period). Rev. 3:7 Philadelphia/ Rapture church } wise Virgins (Matthew 25) and Laodicea (current neighbors) Left behind unready church/ unwise Virgins (Matthew 25). Ist Thessalonians 4:16 and 1st Corinthians 15:51. Many anti christ but The Beast from the sea is “Nimrod” (Genesis 10:8-12) in Genesis – The Assyria (Mica 5) and Beast 7 that was dead and liveth to be 8th head (Revelation 13:1–18). the now Pope is the False prophet I believe.


    4. Hi Rob;
      I am a bit at a loss how to respond to such a hodge-podge of abbreviated false notions generated by an improper understanding of end-time matters.
      Each one in itself deserves a thorough rebuke for the falsehoods presented therein, and a corrective teaching from the Word of God to counter that particular facet of error. I have addressed almost every bogus notion you hinted at in your comment in various articles on this site.
      For example YOU SAID: “The falling away is Rapture scene from heaven (2 Thessalonians 2:3).”END QUOTE Here is an article where I thoroughly present the reasons why the idea that the ‘falling away’ mentioned in 2Thess. 2:3 is a reference to a pre-tribulation Rapture:


      I hope you would spend some time prayerfully examining your beliefs in light of the articles I have written discussing these matters; and more importantly that you would ask our Heavenly Father to show you where you have been misled.
      In Christ Jesus;
      Paul Benson


  4. He makes some good points but no cigar.

    Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
    2 Thessalonians:2:1

    That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
    2 Thessalonians:2:2

    Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    2 Thessalonians:2:3

    The son of prediction is the Antichrist who will only be revealed in the 7 year tribulation

    And the falling away must happen first which is the rapture

    And last but not least where in the Grace Age at this time and during the tribulation Israel will go back under the law and Grace and law don’t mix.

    So evidently us Grace age Believers will join Jesus Christ along with the angels at the second coming


    1. Hi Randy;
      Thanks for the comment. No cigar for me? No Problem! I don’t smoke.

      But let me get this right: Your evidence to refute what I stated in this article is that the apostasy in verse 3 of 2Thess. is the rapture? That notion is absolutely ludicrous brother! Here is a recent article where the folly of that claim is clearly shown. Please read it prayerfully:

      Apostasy means Rapture?

      Something greatly amazing to me is that pre-trib believing folks that use that ridiculous ‘proof’ cannot see they are actually changing 2Thess. 1-3 to read the coming of our Lord and our gathering together unto him cannot happen until after the rapture (apostasy). The rapture can’t happen until after the rapture???????

      Brother I hope you would consider reading my 2 free books on this subject and the many articles I have written to show the incorrectness and anti-biblical nature of the pre-trib teachings. It is a provable hoax!

      Paul Benson
      P.S. The idea pre-trib theory promotes that during the tribulation people will be saved under a reverting to O.T. Law because the ‘age of grace’ has come to a conclusion is heretical. You might want to stop pitching that doctrine before it condemns you. If there could ever be salvation by works apart from grace then the Cross of Christ was unnecessary.


    2. Paul…let me get this straight here being as I am not sure just where you stand on this issue of the rapture being as you seem to be all over the map on the verses that pertain to this event. for you have quoted the verses that pertain to the second coming (gathering the ELECT from four corners….”) and from what I’m reading you seem to think that this is the rapture verse? when it is definately a Tribulation verse and us being GATHERED together from four corners of HEAVEN to go down to earth WITH CHRIST on white horses to where Christ then will put an end to the A.C. at armegeddon. So many people get this screwed up with the being caught up in the clouds when we are raptured…

      So, are you FOR the rapture before the Trib or mid or post or not at all?

      You have quoted passages that are definitely rapture quotes but you seem not to be solid on any of these verses. so before I start in proving to you that we all must be PREPRAPTURED I need to know definitely where you stand.

      We will al be clothed in white linin when we are in heaven we can not wear street clothes! there are many passages in the Bible that testify that all those that go to heaven will be clothed in white.

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    3. Hi Kittytrekn;
      In a nutshell where I ‘am at’ is that I promote the practice of basing our Christian beliefs upon only what is clearly and plainly stated in the text of the Bible; and encourage being wary of approaching the Scriptures through the preconceived notions of man’s various theories and theologies (which not only conflict with one another but more importantly often with the Scriptures themselves).

      Even pre-trib theologians admit the concept of a pre-trib rapture is not expressly stated in the Bible but is a doctrine derived by deduction through the means of implicit reference (certain passages SEEM to imply this or that). Do you get the significance of that? They ADMIT that the idea of a rapture prior to the time of tribulation is not something derived from a plain and simple reading of the text of the Bible! You have to be already convinced of the notion; and then you can see where certain verses kinda sorta present this or that facet of pre-trib theory.

      You can insert whatever doctrine you like into the Scriptures through the practice of doctrine by implicit reference (non-divine Christ, no hell fire, preterism, OSAS, Etc. etc. etc.) but that does not make them true.

      As to your assertion that Matt. 24:31 refers to a previously raptured Church coming out of heaven with Jesus at the Second Coming, perhaps Mark’s account of Jesus’ end-time discourse may give you some food for thought:

      Mark 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

      Jesus was giving us a description of the resurrection of the dead and the catching away of the believer that takes place at the Second Coming. ALL passages that deal with the believers being gathered unto Christ are referring to the Return of Christ at the end of this age. There is NO prior rapture event taught anywhere in the Bible. The idea is a false construct of modern invention.

      If you are going to attempt to ‘start proving to me’ the pre-trib theory please do so by e-mail. I am quite willing to consider whatever you submit and respond accordingly; but I don’t allow my comment section to become a debate forum. And before you prove your pre-trib theory to me perhaps you would take time to prayerfully examine my work on this matter. There is a good reason I left behind the pre-trib fable. I took the time to question it, and examine it for error and inconsistency. Have you? Or are you just set on rejecting anything contrary to it?

      May the Lord guide us all into his perfect truth;
      Paul Benson


    4. Randy Jett-Wow! It’s just amazing how many ridicules heretical teachings are out there! I just can’t believe that you go around trying to convince others that the great falling away(Apostasy) is the pre-trib rapture, that’s delusion at its best. I pray you will repent and come back to Jesus(or find Jesus) because this kind of false teaching, that you are handing out, will not go well on judgment day.

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    5. That’s what I always thought to…. until today. Now I’m not sure. I found 4 scriptures tonight that referred to ONLY angels coming back with Jesus. And then I found 2 that didn’t necessarily refer to angels, so I need to look into it some more


    6. Hi Krista;
      Yes, only the angels come out of Heaven with Jesus. He then descends to the clouds and the call is given for the Righteous to rise from the dead. Then they, along with the living Saints are gathered up to meet Jesus in the air. He then descends to stand upon the Mount of Olives.

      Just because certain passages do not describe angelic activity or others a resurrection/catching-away should not cause us to think they are describing 2 separate Comings of Christ. It is one event that transpires in a progressive manner and certain passages just focus upon one facet or another of that progressive event.

      Thanks for the visit. Blessings to you;
      Paul Benson


    7. Thanks for helping folks understand the truth Paul. I’ve enjoyed your approach in helping others to understand these things as I do the same. I see eye to eye with you on almost everything. The only difference I have with your viewpoints is your stance on OSAS. I read OSAS in the Bible. I believe millions of people, especially in America, sell proclaim they are saved but are not. Pastor Sam Adams preaches much on this subject and I’d encourage you to give him a listen, Independence Baptist Church in FL. I’m not Baptist but I do agree with Sam. Anyways, keep serving Jesus.
      Godspeed Brother!


    8. Hi Mat;
      Thanks for the thumbs up!
      As far as OSAS goes it, just like the pre-trib hoax, is an invention of man. It is not what the full counsel of the Scriptures teach. In a nut-shell: If OSAO were true there would not be all the warnings of falling victim to apostasy found through-out the Bible; and there would certainly not be the examples given of those who have done so.
      Here is an excellent video where a brother takes a good look at the MANY verses and passages I am referring to:

      The link he provides to his web-site is an article that goes on the examine this matter in a very thorough fashion. I highly recommend you take a look at it.

      Blessings to you Mat;
      Paul Benson


  5. Paul, I do believe James is correct. You replied…”but where did you ever get the notion a raptured Church will occupy positions formerly held by Satan and his devils?” Rev 11:15-18 & Rev 20:4 that thrones are set. Where are they set? Rev 11:16 16 And the twenty-four elders, who were “seated on their thrones before God”, fell on their faces and worshiped God,

    Paul when addressing law suits among the believers in Corinth also mentions, in 1 Cor 6:3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

    Where ever there is a throne, there is power and authority attached to it. When Christ raised from the dead, the Father gave him all authority in heaven and on earth (Matthew 28:18) and the Father exalted Him and gave Him the Name above all names and He ascended to his throne in heaven. The Father has given unto the Son all authority in heaven and on earth. Philippians 2:9-11 & 1 Cor 15:20-28. He is the High Priest of heaven with all spiritual authority and He is also the King sitting upon His throne.

    Rev 12:7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

    Those positions of power and authority they held were not destroyed, they were emptied and vacated. It is these position that the Church will fill and hold while Christ 1000 year reign happens. Consider carefully Daniel 10:13 But the prince of the Persian kingdom resisted me twenty-one days. Then Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me, because I was detained there with the king of Persia.

    You cannot read Daniel 10:13 and ignore the significance of what is being illustrated here in regards to angels holding power and authority of cities and countries. Dan 12:1 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise….”

    Perhaps it will give you deeper insight to parable of the ten minas found in Luke 19:17 “‘Well done, my good servant!’ his master replied. ‘Because you have been trustworthy in a very small matter, take charge of ten cities.’

    I pray that you would consider these things. James was correct in what he said.

    By Him and for Him,
    God bless


    1. Hi Rich;
      My reply to James was to show the error of his reasoning that a raptured Church would be already sitting in authority (supposedly the emptied seats of the fallen ones) when Christ Returns. That is pre-trib theory. The catching away CANNOT happen until the Return of Christ so there is no ‘raptured’ Church in Heaven (or any place else) before that day. And there is not one verse that describes a resurrected Church leaving the planet to dwell in Heaven. That was my point.

      As to the Church filling the seats vacated by the fallen ones there are no verses that teach explicitly that idea. Actually that notion sells us a little short in my opinion. Will we sit in authority? Yes! But in a fashion far above that ever held by an angel! We will rule and reign with Christ as joint heirs of all of creation. Most Christians do not understand that the entire universe will be not only under our dominion, but it will be our possession! Including the angels! When Paul said, ‘All things are yours, and you are Christ’s and Christ is God’s.’ this is what he was talking about.!

      No angel has ever shared the throne with our Lord, but as sons of God WE WILL! We will sit in dominion over the seats of authority held by the angels, NOT merely occupy them. I was not trying to diminish the concept of our future seat of authority, but to show that he had stated an unscriptural understanding fed to him by the pre-trib error. He was NOT correct in what he said.

      Thanks for the comment and exhortation.
      Paul Benson


  6. I agree, the armies of heaven that follows Christ in his 2nd advent is not the Church but angels. The Church will be in their new positions in the heavenly places vacated by the evil principalities and powers after Satan and his angels lose the battle against Michael and are thrown out of heaven.


    1. James;
      I’m glad you see that the pre-trib insertion of the Church into Revelation 19:14 is false, but where did you ever get the notion a raptured Church will occupy positions formerly held by Satan and his devils? A major problem with that idea (other than its lack of Scriptural foundation) is that when Jesus comes out of Heaven with his angels the resurrection / catching away has not happened yet. This takes place as Jesus descends to earth at this Second Coming.

      Mark 13:26-27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

      If you have been taught the elect of Matthew 24 and Mark 13 are not the Body of Christ please see this post: The identity of the elect of Matthew 24. It will shed the light of truth on the matter for you.



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